Pirates Without Borders

Pirates Without Borders => Build the Ship => Topic started by: Doug on November 18, 2017, 06:54:05 PM

Title: Two pins and a T-shirt.
Post by: Doug on November 18, 2017, 06:54:05 PM
I think it's really worth looking at this transaction.

Cameron spends four months working on a design of the ship.

Done, not to put words in his mouth, but to me, out of love for the idea of building the ship. Something that he wasn't concerned about getting paid for. He gave of himself to this idea of the ship.

Many things to flesh out.

I don't understand why it is so hard to think about a sharing economy, while in this economy, it is ok to reward people, with T-shirts and pins. I am not trying to be snarky. I am trying to state facts.

You think a ship like this takes money to build?

How much work are people willing to do, just to be part of something they care about?

Yet here we are trying to figure out how to reenslave ourselves, while the Cameron's of the world are just happy to share ideas.

Let's build a network of Cameron's!!!( Hope you're not really a jerk, haha)

And we would clothe everyone with T-shirts and pins!!

Next thing.

So people flake out on sharing stuff. You know, with that making them a commie...or socialist... racist... anyways..

We are still stuck in this nonsense. So, if Cameron designs the whole ship on blender. Does he own any portion of the final product? If everyone is collaborating with the same idea for the same final product, how many people own this thing or do those tshirts and pins count as payment? Again, not snarky, seriously trying to discuss this.

I know I said many things. I will leave it at those two, for now.

The ship looks great, Cameron! Awesome work!


Title: Re: Two pins and a T-shirt.
Post by: cameron on November 20, 2017, 07:55:22 PM
Thanks for posting Doug. I appreciate the topic.

I wanted to do something to help Ernie. But if I knew how hard it was going to be, I probably wouldn't have started (like I didn't start the "firebird/phoenix-to-space" animation).

After the first month trying to convert the 2D sketches to 3D, I didn't want to give up and not produce something. I had time invested and didn't want to waste it. So I had to generate something, rather than nothing. I just wish I could have done it faster.

Then again, if it were easy, it would have been done already. I've lost track of hours spent. But for example, I spent several days just trying to get the wings connected to the fuselage properly. I'm sure someone who does Blender for a living could do it faster, but simply put, they didn't.

In most cases people don't want to work on other people's projects (especially for free). If they're going to build a ship, they'd rather build their own instead of someone else's. They would much prefer (& enjoy) 100% ownership of their ideas/design instead of working on someone else's vision.

I don't mind working on the ship in my spare time. Especially since the heavy lifting of creating it is done. But if it were a paying gig, I'm sure I could do even more.

Having said that, I am hesitant about sharing the .blend files without getting something for the work/value/time I put into creating the model from a 2D sketch. I'm sure people could build on my work, and likely create something better than I ever could. But I would feel cheated knowing it was based on my (uncompensated) work. It may be a long shot to do all the work up front, but I'm hoping it will eventually generate some crypto. Perhaps a "Release the Ship" campaign is necessary so others can build on what I've done?

The hard part about digital assets, be it 3D modeling, programming, or graphic design, is that the creativity and execution is nearly 100% labor. Which people think should be free. I've heard many times "my kid could have done this", or "this should take you 5 minutes". But in reality, I spend hours squeezing my brain trying to figure out the best way to write code or model something. Nothing is ever "easy", and as Ernie says, "there's no just button".

If "building the ship" is an exercise in open source design. I'm hopeful that knowledgeable people would contribute (we'll see how many people offer their services). But if something is really going to be built, even if it's Christmas ornaments & drone toys, I think it needs to be funded (via kickstarter or the Funding Center) and people need to be compensated for contributing.

Sorry this was so long. Hope I made a point somewhere. : ) Thanks for reading.
Title: Re: Two pins and a T-shirt.
Post by: Ernest Hancock on November 20, 2017, 08:23:18 PM
"Release the Ship" or "Free The Precariat" design release is a good idea. Let's think about it for a bit. If we're going to do something for this holiday season then we better get on it now.
Title: Re: Two pins and a T-shirt.
Post by: Doug on November 20, 2017, 08:51:49 PM
Ah, yes. The... Holiday Season. Haha.

Marketing...is that the, black hole, sucking away freedom?

I got my pirate T-shirt, pins, treasure trinkets box, my own computer copy of the ship, Yippie!!!

Crap. Now I am poor. How am I supposed to build my own ship? Work more hours? Then when will I have time to build?

Hmm...maybe all I need is some cleaver marketing.

Nah...freedom is hard work. I don't have time for marketing.