The Pirate Code

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Doug
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Re: The Pirate Code

Postby Doug » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:15 pm

"meaning I could be completely wrong and don't care".

Maybe this is where we take a separate path. I care about not being wrong, while also enjoying when i am wrong, because then i can adjust my path.

I don't perfer one identity over another.

We have many layers of coding,if you will, running and i am trying to examine the purpose of each layer, for myself.

In fact, for me, this identity hub-bub makes it really hard to verbally communicate honesty.
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Re: The Pirate Code

Postby Davi » Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:49 pm

It seems to me everyone has the right to expel someone from their own property. A homeowner may expel you from their home, even though you may not expel them, but this doesn't constitute a disparity of rights. It's about context. It's certainly a higher risk scenario where expulsion means floating in the ocean, or worse in space. I stand by the code as written. The best answer I can give is that in the scenario where the captain is the sole owner of the ship, and is employing crew, there is an employment agreement which could easily describe the terms of termination. If you are the captain you are free to write your own code, and if you're the employed crew you're free to raise this concern before setting sail. Perhaps even amending the employment agreement, or the code, aboard that ship. The Pirate Code is not intended as the code of all pirate ships. It's the code of Captain Marque's ship. Historically crews were more likely to maroon someone, or throw them out at the next port, than throw them to the sharks. Hollywood tells a different story for dramatic effect.

Personally, were I captain, I would be extremely careful expelling crew by any means, because I understand that mutiny is always a possibility, regardless of what is written. My reputation as a captain plays a part in keeping conduct on board civilized, and if I push the crew too far they may very well turn on me.
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Eduardo Blomar 1679
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Re: The Pirate Code

Postby Eduardo Blomar 1679 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:45 pm

Thank you Davi, for an intelligent response (for a change).

I contend that Property Rights are no less sacred than those of Life and Liberty.

As written, The Code states that Crew have the same 'rights' as Captains.

I disagree.

NO Crew member has a RIGHT to be on my boat EXCEPT BY MUTUAL AGREEMENT WITH ME.

Period.

As a Captain I am offended by this portion of The Code, and will argue for either it's removal, or the addition of a Caveat expressing this Sole Right of Expulsion into The Code. That is why I began this thread. I hope to hear from others on this (in my view) important matter.

So far, only those who have no desire to be a Captain have commented, and have little regard for the matter. Are there any other Captains out there that have an opinion?

Sincerely,

Eduardo Blomar
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(and yes, I understand all the implications of being a disreputable leader, but they are of no consequence to An Honest Captain. As long as one's Word is kept, only Treachery can take his ship).
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Re: The Pirate Code

Postby Doug » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:19 pm

Why are you offended? You're a Captain, right? Or as a Captain, you need to have someone else give you permission. Haha.

Silly. That's what this is.
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Re: The Pirate Code

Postby Eduardo Blomar 1679 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:28 pm

Why have a Code at all, Doug?

Or is that 'silly' also?

Your attitude is why TAXATION is in the U. S. Constitution (which I never would have signed to begin with after reading it.)

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Re: The Pirate Code

Postby Doug » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:53 pm

That is a good question. Why have a code at all? I don't know. Are we not adults? We need to put in writing how to treat each other? Certainly I am not offended at any other person's code. Silly, indeed.

You needed to read the Constitution before you smelled a rat?
I am offended. HAHAHA!!!
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Re: The Pirate Code

Postby Eduardo Blomar 1679 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:10 pm

Respectfully,

We have Codes for the same reason we have Flags, sir.

It is simply an issue of Trust.

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Re: The Pirate Code

Postby Doug » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:55 pm

And a simple(superficial) trust you will get, if you look to codes and flags to find it.

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Re: The Pirate Code

Postby Eduardo Blomar 1679 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:56 pm

Men can be animals, and moreso Pirates.

Captain Bartholomew Roberts became famous for his Code in 1671, which must be signed before boarding:

I. Every man has a vote in affairs of moment; has equal title to the fresh provisions, or strong liquors, at any time seized, and may use them at pleasure, unless a scarcity makes necessary, for the good of all, to vote a retrenchment.
II. Every man to be called fairly in turn, by list, on board of prizes because, they were on these occasions allowed a shift of clothes: but if they defrauded the company to the value of a dollar in plate, jewels, or money, marooning was their punishment. If the robbery was only betwixt one another, they contented themselves with slitting the ears and nose of him that was guilty, and set him on shore, not in an uninhabited place, but somewhere, where he was sure to encounter hardships.
III. No person to game at cards or dice for money.
IV. The lights and candles to be put out at eight o’clock at night: if any of the crew, after that hour still remained inclined for drinking, they were to do it on the open deck.
V. To keep their peace, pistols, and cutlass clean and fit for service.
VI. No boy or woman to be allowed amongst them. If any man were to be found seducing any of the latter sex, and carried her to sea, disguised, he was to suffer death.
VII. To desert their ship or quarters in battle, was punished with death or marooning.
VIII. No striking one another on board, but every man’s quarrels to be ended on shore, at sword and pistol.
IX. No man to talk of breaking up their way of living, till each had shared £1,000. If in order to this, any man should lose a limb, or become a cripple in their service, he was to have 800 dollars, out of the public stock, and for lesser hurts, proportionately.
X. The captain and quartermaster to receive two shares of prize: the master, boatswain, and gunner, one share and a half, and other officers one and a quarter.
XI. The musicians to have rest on the Sabbath Day, only by night, but the other six days and nights, not without special favour.
XII (3. Add optional article(s) here)

Fast forward a half a century.

Is Mankind any less capable of exhibiting its' animalistic tendencies than in 1671? Is he (or she) any less needed to be reminded that certain behaviours aboard ship are unacceptable and will be punished if engaged in?

Maybe.

That could be the reason for less rules and less specificity. Yet the need still exists.

We need to be able to see the flags of others from a safe distance - that's why they are there.

Communication devices. We need to see what that person believes in, and to which 'like minded' groups do they belong, and why?

Do I trust them? Is it safe for me to get closer to them? Can I trust them to trade fairly?

When you see The Jolly Roger you can put full faith and trust in it on face value.


No superficiality here,

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Re: The Pirate Code

Postby Doug » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:43 pm

Yeah...so Blomy. I don't want to blow your mind or anything, but I am from hundreds of years in the future and...are you sitting down?...flags and codes still don't work. Yeah, I know. We are gonna have to dig deep and find a better way. No, money is not gonna solve this problem. ( hint...it is the problem)

Here's a glass of water. I'll let you catch up.

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